(15th May)
Okay bit of a cheeky title. We know that to the real world Kate was a Hero when the flight crashed, so the Oceanic 6 were on the plane but………………….. no big theory just a small observation.
The six people appear to be the six who had difficulty boarding the plane/ were close to not being ‘registered’ as on the official flights manifest.
Hurley almost did not board the flight, but begged the airport attendant to allow him on board.
Sun almost did not board, she planned to leave Jin at Sydney airport, disappearing to start a new life but changed her mind at the final moment.
Jack almost did not board the plane because he had not made the proper arrangements for Christians coffin.
Sayid almost did not board the flight, he was in interrogation after Shannon reported him to airport security as an arab man who had left his bag unattended.
Kate almost did not board the plane because of the case of guns. (Also I presume she did not have a passport meaning she was not properly registered.)
Aaron was obviously not registered as being on the flight.
Were the oceanic 6 not 'supposed' to be on flight 815 in the first place? I don’t know.
Thursday, 26 June 2008
Wednesday, 25 June 2008
Ben Lies still, Time moves around him
I absolutely loved episode 409, especially when when we see Ben first inhale in the Sahara landscape.
I noticed that in the opening shot, he is lying on **very** distinctive cracked earth, a patch that appears to be where water once was. In the blink of an eye the ground he is lying on is thick sand. See below.
So assuming this is not a hideous continuity error.
Does this show that Ben is lying still while time passes around him, i.e he lies in the same place geographically while time rushes past him, the piece of land he is lying on goes through an ice age (hence the vapour and the jacket), a dried water region to it's modern form the Sahara dessert in a matter of seconds.....A La H.G. Wells, The Time Machine.
or
That he lies still while his geographic location and date changes around him, i.e he goes from the Arctic to a dried water region to the Sahara.
Any thoughts??
While I am on the crazy time possibilities, noticed this too.................
The shot in 'The Shape of Things to Come' (409) really reminded me of the shot in 'Everyman for himself' (304).
The distance, the height, the way Ben looks at it. Just imagine the desert scene filled with water. Maybe the island is always in the same place but thousands of years apart, could this explain the polar bear remains in the desert? I wondered if the snow covered mountains outside the listening station resembled the above but I couldn't find a screen cap.
Hope you loved 'The Shape of Things to Come' as much as I did! So many things to think about!
Thanks ; )
I noticed that in the opening shot, he is lying on **very** distinctive cracked earth, a patch that appears to be where water once was. In the blink of an eye the ground he is lying on is thick sand. See below.
So assuming this is not a hideous continuity error.
Does this show that Ben is lying still while time passes around him, i.e he lies in the same place geographically while time rushes past him, the piece of land he is lying on goes through an ice age (hence the vapour and the jacket), a dried water region to it's modern form the Sahara dessert in a matter of seconds.....A La H.G. Wells, The Time Machine.
or
That he lies still while his geographic location and date changes around him, i.e he goes from the Arctic to a dried water region to the Sahara.
Any thoughts??
While I am on the crazy time possibilities, noticed this too.................
The shot in 'The Shape of Things to Come' (409) really reminded me of the shot in 'Everyman for himself' (304).
The distance, the height, the way Ben looks at it. Just imagine the desert scene filled with water. Maybe the island is always in the same place but thousands of years apart, could this explain the polar bear remains in the desert? I wondered if the snow covered mountains outside the listening station resembled the above but I couldn't find a screen cap.
Hope you loved 'The Shape of Things to Come' as much as I did! So many things to think about!
Thanks ; )
Tuesday, 24 June 2008
UOY ETAH EW or WE HATE YOU
Feb 25th 2008
4.4 Eggtown. As Kate enters the courtroom, amongst the hustle and bustle an aggressive man outside shouts at her. The camera focuses on him. You cannot understand what he shouts but in true Lost style when the audio is reversed it is clear that he shouts “We hate you”.
Check it out
I'm not addressing the content of the message but the delivery. In the 'real world' Humans do not usually speak backwards. I had taken the flash forwards to be in the 'real world'.
I can handle Walt speaking backwards on the island, but I had assumed that the really freaky stuff, visions, whispers, backwards speak, was going to remain on the island. What could this mean?
Does this audio clue suggest that the 'powers ' of the island are no longer exclusive to the island?
Are the Flash forwards about to get crazy, island style?
Are the flash forwards even real?
I know that in 4.1 Hurley also has a vision but because of the 'dave' episode we could put this down to his madness.
Why do you think the writers would include a piece of blatant backwards speak?? I know it could be unimportant, but I think it is really blatant and meant to be heard.
Any thoughts?
I am Smokie 2
Feb 21st 2008
I wrote a theory before the start of S04 called I am Smokie if you want to have a look it would really help the following make sense!
Basically I believe the island is a surveillance technology trial facility. Meaning, some organisation has a goal to eventually replace the worlds need for cctv, judge, jury, police force.
When one of the islands pieces of technology is thoroughly tested and approved it will be implemented in the real world. Or maybe it already has? Meaning for us, the viewer, we are privileged to be watching, through the flashbacks an individuals memory of an event. Who is watching with us?
I know the flashbacks can simply be seen as a story telling device but I think they are more significant there is a big difference between viewing the flashback as 'fact' or 'memory'.
Incidents on island spark memories and this is what we are seeing.
Evidence to take the memory theory seriously came very early in S01 In Jack's crash Flashback
Pilot part 1): The pilot has switched on the fasten seat belt sign..." In Charlie's crash Flashback
Pilot part 2): "The Captain has turned on the fasten seat belt sign..." In Kate's crash Flashback
Pilot part 2): "The Captain has switched on the fasten seat belt sign..."
Note the minor differences in the remembered language. This was not a production error. It is a clue to the flashbacks validity in detail. This is evidence from the outset that memories matter.
What on the island is reading the memories?? I think there are a numerous pieces of equipment on the island that were built for the purpose. In My I am Smokie theory, I figured that smokie is one of these devices for surveillance memory assessment, plus instant judgment.
I propose the Hurley bird is also a piece of airborne surveillance equipment. Acting differently to smokie, The bird/birds may act a bit like the pre-cog's in Minority report.
The birds can sense human stress patterns and swoop to the scene to record the events.
(As a completely out there thought maybe Walt's stress signals are very strong thus the bird like equipment malfunctions around him?? Crash and burn? Room 23?)
It's not too crazy a thought when you bear in mind that Vegas Casinos have surveillance equipment that monitors body language and stress patterns.
But beyond the smaller individual pieces of technology, It may be possible that the island itself contains the ultimate piece of surveillance technology. An all seeing eye, possibly in the form of a quantum computer. (Incidentally a quantum computer could behave exactly like a giant magnet) Could this be why Daniel the Quantum physicist is there to fix a piece equipment?
When the swan imploded it is like Desmond vividly was given access to his memories, he re lived his past that was stored in the quantum computer. Have a look at the following picture of the Widmore office scene, the office inverts, look at the desk and the walls.
The Picture frame change in the ghost buster scene
changes because what we are watching in theory is a constant Computer generated render of a memory, not the actual events. As I mentioned in the I am Smokie theory. These contradictions could either be showing us that a) Detail in memories can be erronous, (flight attendant announcment/picture frames) or b) Some people know the island can download your mind and are presenting false memories to infiltrate.
So that is my thought behind the blatant picture change scene, no parallel worlds, no instantaneous time travel just an incorrect background render by the surveillance machines.
The Progression of Surveillance technology in the western world should be an important debate point, I for one would love for Lost to go in this direction. I think it is highly plausible that the writers are keen to slowly bring these issues to the mass public via the medium of a hit TV show.
Wasn't the shows brief to create a drama like 'survivor' or 'castaway', I can imagine one of the writers saying "Wouldn't it be great if as many people would care about real political issues rather than who will be voted off survivor this week".
Eyeland.
Prepare for the Masterworks of science fiction!
I wrote a theory before the start of S04 called I am Smokie if you want to have a look it would really help the following make sense!
Basically I believe the island is a surveillance technology trial facility. Meaning, some organisation has a goal to eventually replace the worlds need for cctv, judge, jury, police force.
When one of the islands pieces of technology is thoroughly tested and approved it will be implemented in the real world. Or maybe it already has? Meaning for us, the viewer, we are privileged to be watching, through the flashbacks an individuals memory of an event. Who is watching with us?
I know the flashbacks can simply be seen as a story telling device but I think they are more significant there is a big difference between viewing the flashback as 'fact' or 'memory'.
Incidents on island spark memories and this is what we are seeing.
Evidence to take the memory theory seriously came very early in S01 In Jack's crash Flashback
Pilot part 1): The pilot has switched on the fasten seat belt sign..." In Charlie's crash Flashback
Pilot part 2): "The Captain has turned on the fasten seat belt sign..." In Kate's crash Flashback
Pilot part 2): "The Captain has switched on the fasten seat belt sign..."
Note the minor differences in the remembered language. This was not a production error. It is a clue to the flashbacks validity in detail. This is evidence from the outset that memories matter.
What on the island is reading the memories?? I think there are a numerous pieces of equipment on the island that were built for the purpose. In My I am Smokie theory, I figured that smokie is one of these devices for surveillance memory assessment, plus instant judgment.
I propose the Hurley bird is also a piece of airborne surveillance equipment. Acting differently to smokie, The bird/birds may act a bit like the pre-cog's in Minority report.
The birds can sense human stress patterns and swoop to the scene to record the events.
(As a completely out there thought maybe Walt's stress signals are very strong thus the bird like equipment malfunctions around him?? Crash and burn? Room 23?)
It's not too crazy a thought when you bear in mind that Vegas Casinos have surveillance equipment that monitors body language and stress patterns.
But beyond the smaller individual pieces of technology, It may be possible that the island itself contains the ultimate piece of surveillance technology. An all seeing eye, possibly in the form of a quantum computer. (Incidentally a quantum computer could behave exactly like a giant magnet) Could this be why Daniel the Quantum physicist is there to fix a piece equipment?
When the swan imploded it is like Desmond vividly was given access to his memories, he re lived his past that was stored in the quantum computer. Have a look at the following picture of the Widmore office scene, the office inverts, look at the desk and the walls.
The Picture frame change in the ghost buster scene
changes because what we are watching in theory is a constant Computer generated render of a memory, not the actual events. As I mentioned in the I am Smokie theory. These contradictions could either be showing us that a) Detail in memories can be erronous, (flight attendant announcment/picture frames) or b) Some people know the island can download your mind and are presenting false memories to infiltrate. So that is my thought behind the blatant picture change scene, no parallel worlds, no instantaneous time travel just an incorrect background render by the surveillance machines.
The Progression of Surveillance technology in the western world should be an important debate point, I for one would love for Lost to go in this direction. I think it is highly plausible that the writers are keen to slowly bring these issues to the mass public via the medium of a hit TV show.
Wasn't the shows brief to create a drama like 'survivor' or 'castaway', I can imagine one of the writers saying "Wouldn't it be great if as many people would care about real political issues rather than who will be voted off survivor this week".
Eyeland.
Prepare for the Masterworks of science fiction!
I am Smokie
Originally posted on Lost-Theories (RIP)Feb 4th 2008
Part 1
The flashbacks open in one of a few different ways. Left eye Right eye Whoosh noise No whoosh, no eye Is the manner of the opener a clue to how it should be viewed, for example, Left eye could represent a natural memory of an event. Right eye could dictate a creative contrived memory of an event. No whoosh noise, no eye ,fact, what really happened, a window to the past.
Are flashbacks to be trusted.
Part2
There is no doubt in my mind of the Smoke Monsters function. It is one of many trial pieces of surveillance technology on the island.
Built to scan record and administer appropriate judgment on your memories.
The long term goal of testing on the island is to find society a replacement for CCTV, police, judge and jury.
It will live under the cities pop up and scan random members of the public for law breaking. It has the right to judge on site.
Its frightening demeanor and familiar sounds such as the clicking receipt machine, the creaking and the horn are specifically designed to open the necessary areas of the brain for the scan.
If smokie can scan memory and download it, I believe people are watching to see if smokie can judge effectively. Did it kill the bad person, did it leave the good person? Someone is watching to see how well smokie is working.
Are we seeing a number of smokies with programming variations, different test models.
I guess 'extreme testing' would be a good reason for an organisation to stage a crash. To truly test the machines effectiveness, unusual situations with scenarios of genuine heightened emotions would be necessary for the machine to get 'approval'.
Linking to part 1, I think someone on the island knows that exactly what smokie can do, and they have trained themselves to present false memories to infiltrate the island and evade detection by the watchers. Basically someone is not who we know them to be.
I predict that we will see a flashback that contradicts a prior one.
I think Desmond could be a strong contender for this. This may explain why his flashbacks have contradictions.
We have already seen lots of surveillance equipment on the island, In addition I suspect that the Hurley-Bird is also a trial piece of surveillance equipment.
The Masters of science fiction, a recent ABC production has an episode called Watchbird. Watchbird is a short story by Sci-Fi writer Robert Robert Sheckley. It is basically about the development of bird like droids that observe and protect society from the skies. The major issue being "is it wise to sacrifice our liberty in the name of our security?"
The writers in one podcast said about the others, that they are "separate but equal" to smokie. If you think that the surveillance testing ground theory could be right then maybe..........some of the others are a further advancement of surveillance technology, walking talking fleshy discreet machines, designed to be undetectable to normal society. Much better versions of smokie??????
So is the idea that............organisations of the Lost world are experimenting and catching up with the sinister technology penned in the great science-fiction works. Life imitates Art. (For the record I think that the series mentioned above, Masters of Science Fiction has something to do with Lost. Humour me, I link to a clip, it is from an episode released last year called "The Awakening", Terry O'Quinn is the lead playing Albert Skynner, looking very Locke in his green T.
Crazy connections!
And this from an episode called "the Discarded".
Look at the lamp in the bottom right of the pic...Octagonal staff! Masters of Science Fiction is a great series, check it out)
Part 1
The flashbacks open in one of a few different ways. Left eye Right eye Whoosh noise No whoosh, no eye Is the manner of the opener a clue to how it should be viewed, for example, Left eye could represent a natural memory of an event. Right eye could dictate a creative contrived memory of an event. No whoosh noise, no eye ,fact, what really happened, a window to the past.
Are flashbacks to be trusted.
Part2
There is no doubt in my mind of the Smoke Monsters function. It is one of many trial pieces of surveillance technology on the island.
Built to scan record and administer appropriate judgment on your memories.
The long term goal of testing on the island is to find society a replacement for CCTV, police, judge and jury.
It will live under the cities pop up and scan random members of the public for law breaking. It has the right to judge on site.
Its frightening demeanor and familiar sounds such as the clicking receipt machine, the creaking and the horn are specifically designed to open the necessary areas of the brain for the scan.
If smokie can scan memory and download it, I believe people are watching to see if smokie can judge effectively. Did it kill the bad person, did it leave the good person? Someone is watching to see how well smokie is working.
Are we seeing a number of smokies with programming variations, different test models.
I guess 'extreme testing' would be a good reason for an organisation to stage a crash. To truly test the machines effectiveness, unusual situations with scenarios of genuine heightened emotions would be necessary for the machine to get 'approval'.
Linking to part 1, I think someone on the island knows that exactly what smokie can do, and they have trained themselves to present false memories to infiltrate the island and evade detection by the watchers. Basically someone is not who we know them to be.
I predict that we will see a flashback that contradicts a prior one.
I think Desmond could be a strong contender for this. This may explain why his flashbacks have contradictions.
We have already seen lots of surveillance equipment on the island, In addition I suspect that the Hurley-Bird is also a trial piece of surveillance equipment.
The Masters of science fiction, a recent ABC production has an episode called Watchbird. Watchbird is a short story by Sci-Fi writer Robert Robert Sheckley. It is basically about the development of bird like droids that observe and protect society from the skies. The major issue being "is it wise to sacrifice our liberty in the name of our security?"
The writers in one podcast said about the others, that they are "separate but equal" to smokie. If you think that the surveillance testing ground theory could be right then maybe..........some of the others are a further advancement of surveillance technology, walking talking fleshy discreet machines, designed to be undetectable to normal society. Much better versions of smokie??????
So is the idea that............organisations of the Lost world are experimenting and catching up with the sinister technology penned in the great science-fiction works. Life imitates Art. (For the record I think that the series mentioned above, Masters of Science Fiction has something to do with Lost. Humour me, I link to a clip, it is from an episode released last year called "The Awakening", Terry O'Quinn is the lead playing Albert Skynner, looking very Locke in his green T.
Crazy connections!
And this from an episode called "the Discarded".
Look at the lamp in the bottom right of the pic...Octagonal staff! Masters of Science Fiction is a great series, check it out)
Eve.rest
Originally posted on Lost-Theories Jan 15th 2008
A quick thought.....
If you type 'Mount Everest' into Google Earth select the TERRAIN view you get this
the similarity between Everest terrain is remarkably similar to the proposed terrain and size of the lost island. Here is a fan made map with details taken from maps presented to us through various characters.
The next image is a view of Mt Everest from the south, the second is Rousseau's map of the island from the south.
I know these images are far from identical but it gives you an idea that if Everest were surrounded by water the peaks you would expect to see are similar to Rousseau's map, taking weathering and ice disappearance into account.
For the record I hope lost island is not Everest or any other mountain peak of a watery future, just thought it was worth a mention. Everest currently stands at about 8848m above sea level, the islands estimated height is roughly 3000m. The sea level would have to rise by roughly 6000m
The Himalayas are also in one of twelve 12 Vile Vortices's (for those of you that like the vile theory) Was the listening station in the Himalayas? Is the sitar music at the beginning of the scene a clue to the location?
Tibetan and Buddhist influence in the show.
Adam and eve....rest.
In Walkabout Locke says: "Norman Croucher. Norman Croucher, double amputee, no legs. He climbed to the top of Mt. Everest. Why? It was his destiny."
Norman Croucher is a real man. Despite the loss of both his legs Norman has climbed many mountains. Interesting thing about Lockes speech is that Norman Croucher has never climbed Everest................but he plans to in the future. Time clue? Writers error? Or a Locke error, written as a hidden clue to Lockes knowledge or lack of it?
A quick thought.....
If you type 'Mount Everest' into Google Earth select the TERRAIN view you get this
the similarity between Everest terrain is remarkably similar to the proposed terrain and size of the lost island. Here is a fan made map with details taken from maps presented to us through various characters.
The next image is a view of Mt Everest from the south, the second is Rousseau's map of the island from the south.
I know these images are far from identical but it gives you an idea that if Everest were surrounded by water the peaks you would expect to see are similar to Rousseau's map, taking weathering and ice disappearance into account.
For the record I hope lost island is not Everest or any other mountain peak of a watery future, just thought it was worth a mention. Everest currently stands at about 8848m above sea level, the islands estimated height is roughly 3000m. The sea level would have to rise by roughly 6000m
The Himalayas are also in one of twelve 12 Vile Vortices's (for those of you that like the vile theory) Was the listening station in the Himalayas? Is the sitar music at the beginning of the scene a clue to the location?
Tibetan and Buddhist influence in the show.
Adam and eve....rest.
In Walkabout Locke says: "Norman Croucher. Norman Croucher, double amputee, no legs. He climbed to the top of Mt. Everest. Why? It was his destiny."
Norman Croucher is a real man. Despite the loss of both his legs Norman has climbed many mountains. Interesting thing about Lockes speech is that Norman Croucher has never climbed Everest................but he plans to in the future. Time clue? Writers error? Or a Locke error, written as a hidden clue to Lockes knowledge or lack of it?
John Twelve Hawks JXIIH
Originally posted on Lost-Theories (RIP) Dec 12th 2007
Since posting this prior to Season Four, there is so much more evidence to support the following nonsense.
The Traveller was released in 2005. Book one of the The Fourth Realm Trilogy, The Dark River is book two and the yet unnamed third installment is due in 2009.
In a nutshell "In the shadows of modern society an epic battle is fought. One woman is standing between those who try to control mankind and those who will risk their lives for the freedom of us all. On one side the Brethren, using high-end surveillance technology for control, supported by officials and politicians. On the other side the Travelers, the gifted ones, who are able to leave our realm and cross over into other realities."
The author 'is' John Twelve Hawks or J12H or JXIIH or JTH. "John Twelve Hawks lives off the grid." "Both John Twelve Hawks and his American publisher state that he has never met his editor and that he communicates using the Internet and an untraceable satellite phone, usually employing a voice scrambler. No photograph of Twelve Hawks has ever appeared."
I think that the The Fourth Realm Trilogy is written by the Lost people and will become part of the Lost Universe.
The themes in the books could be seen as basic coincidental sci-fi or zeitgeist fodder , however, it's got me thinking. Two outcomes. One, it is related to Lost. Two, it has nothing to do with Lost.
The books and the author have a large mystery surrounding them, there are theories on the identity of the author (Steven Hawking amongst others), and a vast Alternate Reality Gaming network to accompany the book, much like The Lost Experience, The Fourth Realm Trilogy ARG takes fiction and makes it seem 'real'. Most believe the ARG to be a marketing tool for the books.
JTH has given only a few interviews (via sat phone of course). This passage I found interesting
Q: Your novel shows many influences, from Orwell’s 1984 to The Matrix films. What fiction inspired your writing?
A: John Twelve Hawks: ......I have never owned a television............When The Traveler was published, it was amusing to hear how I’d had been influenced by TV shows and movies – such as "Alias" or "Highlander" – that I’ve never seen. Hmmmmm,
rest of interview here http://www.sffworld.com/mul/146p0.html
The first connection I noticed that felt related to Lost was John Twelve Hawks's 'logo' on his website (http://www.randomhouse.com/features/johntwelvehawks/)(worth a look!)
looks very much like the tree mark seen in Lost (One of Us)
Next, A fictional site presented amongst The Fourth Realm Trilogy web presence is the http://www.evergreen-foundation.com/ who "support the work of hundreds of scientists in over 23 different countries" this is one of the companies (also known as the Brethren) that author John Twelve Hawks is fighting against. This portrait used to be on the Evergreen login page....
It is Jeremy Bentham, he is the poster boy of the Evergreen foundation as he designed the Panopticon. It has to be said that he looks a little like Jacob.
(Addition: Since the end of season 4 we now know that Jeremy Bentham plays a much bigger part in Lost than I had imagined when I wrote this theory.)
In addition, other fictional but cannon (In the Fourth Realm Trilogy ARG) sites call the Evergreen Foundation 'three trees'
Notice the three evergreen trees within the Dharma octagon. (The Lost team would have given permission or commissioned it's use in Half Life) These are the things that made me interested in Lost v's JXIIH,
then I read the books.
If you wish to read the books, the following may be a spoiler.... This is the part of the books I find most interesting. The (sinister) Evergreen Foundation built a quantum computer, subatomic particles in an energy field momentarily disappear, on return they were found to contain information, binary information described in the book as "Light and non-Light, the basic language of the universe"
The Brethren realised that the information was from an advanced civilisation (4toes anyone??)......"This civilization has given our scientists new discoveries in physics and computers........If we can learn more about this advanced technology, we'll be able to establish the Panopticon...(We) will finally have the power to watch and control an immense group of people." I think relating to Lost smokie is the plan that will be sent and built in the third book.
A series of smokies that live under our world would eliminate the need for millions of cameras around the world. The idea being, Smokie could pop out of the ground at any moment and scan your memories in detail for law breaking etc and deliver immediate judgement, would certainly have the Big Brother effect plus the benefit of stripping away the 'who watches the watcher' dilemma.
I think the smokie we see could be a prototype and arguably some of the flashbacks are his readings. Here are a few more links from The Fourth Realm Trilogy to Lost: The release date of the first book of The Fourth Realm Trilogy and the final book release fit snugly into the Lost air dates. Character names, Nathan Boone, Michael, John, Shepherd, The Tabula(from Tabula Rasa). Chess and game theory, Light and Dark feature heavily in the books.
Underground bunkers, tunnels and rooms have purpose in the books. A secret guarded 'portable portal' in a box in a temple on an island is used to "leave our realm and cross over into other realities" (incidentally the island in the book is not out at sea but in the middle of a massive lake in Africa...not far from Nigeria!).
(Addition: 'crossing realms' as described in the Fourth Realm Trilogy shows strong links to Lost too since S04 has aired) )
Car accidents play a part in the book. An expert in his scientific field takes on a job only to find he cannot leave the base(Juliete). Use of number codes. Talismans are important in the book as I think they are in Lost (watches, rings, tattos etc). The reluctant hero becomes trapped on an island. Heavy references to literature and philosophers and religion. One character calls everyone 'brutha'. And many more. If (and It's a massive if) the book is part of Lost, it could relate to Lost in a number of ways.
Could the author be Jacob or someone else on the island? TFRT could be there to simply bulk up the mythology when Lost ends. Tailor made sci-fi.
JXIIH got me thinking about Gary Troupe. Bad Twin and the The Fourth Realm Trilogy books and related canon web presence are built to be an expose on the corporate evils of society. If The Fourth Realm Trilogy does prove to be related to Lost it could be flip side of literary propaganda to Bad Twin. Battling factions using fiction and media to sway distract and subtly influence the Lost world populace?
Are the losties part of this propaganda? Is someone banking on/securing their return to expose the islands secrets? I think Bad Twin and Troupe will have further parts in Lost and I hope The Fourth Realm Trilogy does too.
Michael Eisner (chairman and chief executive of Walt Disney Co.) said "[Lost, It's] A crazy project that's never going to work". Makes me think that beyond marketing, the six channels of mass media, broadcasting, publishing, Internet, video games etc could possibly play a larger part in the plot. Maybe it is a coincidence. It's a good read regardless, I'm sure you would enjoy it.......
Here are links to the two books if you fancy a dig
http://tinyurl.com/3ydy6t
http://tinyurl.com/38rado
Since posting this prior to Season Four, there is so much more evidence to support the following nonsense.
The Traveller was released in 2005. Book one of the The Fourth Realm Trilogy, The Dark River is book two and the yet unnamed third installment is due in 2009.
In a nutshell "In the shadows of modern society an epic battle is fought. One woman is standing between those who try to control mankind and those who will risk their lives for the freedom of us all. On one side the Brethren, using high-end surveillance technology for control, supported by officials and politicians. On the other side the Travelers, the gifted ones, who are able to leave our realm and cross over into other realities."
The author 'is' John Twelve Hawks or J12H or JXIIH or JTH. "John Twelve Hawks lives off the grid." "Both John Twelve Hawks and his American publisher state that he has never met his editor and that he communicates using the Internet and an untraceable satellite phone, usually employing a voice scrambler. No photograph of Twelve Hawks has ever appeared."
I think that the The Fourth Realm Trilogy is written by the Lost people and will become part of the Lost Universe.
The themes in the books could be seen as basic coincidental sci-fi or zeitgeist fodder , however, it's got me thinking. Two outcomes. One, it is related to Lost. Two, it has nothing to do with Lost.
The books and the author have a large mystery surrounding them, there are theories on the identity of the author (Steven Hawking amongst others), and a vast Alternate Reality Gaming network to accompany the book, much like The Lost Experience, The Fourth Realm Trilogy ARG takes fiction and makes it seem 'real'. Most believe the ARG to be a marketing tool for the books.
JTH has given only a few interviews (via sat phone of course). This passage I found interesting
Q: Your novel shows many influences, from Orwell’s 1984 to The Matrix films. What fiction inspired your writing?
A: John Twelve Hawks: ......I have never owned a television............When The Traveler was published, it was amusing to hear how I’d had been influenced by TV shows and movies – such as "Alias" or "Highlander" – that I’ve never seen. Hmmmmm,
rest of interview here http://www.sffworld.com/mul/146p0.html
The first connection I noticed that felt related to Lost was John Twelve Hawks's 'logo' on his website (http://www.randomhouse.com/features/johntwelvehawks/)(worth a look!)
looks very much like the tree mark seen in Lost (One of Us)
Next, A fictional site presented amongst The Fourth Realm Trilogy web presence is the http://www.evergreen-foundation.com/ who "support the work of hundreds of scientists in over 23 different countries" this is one of the companies (also known as the Brethren) that author John Twelve Hawks is fighting against. This portrait used to be on the Evergreen login page....
It is Jeremy Bentham, he is the poster boy of the Evergreen foundation as he designed the Panopticon. It has to be said that he looks a little like Jacob.
(Addition: Since the end of season 4 we now know that Jeremy Bentham plays a much bigger part in Lost than I had imagined when I wrote this theory.)
In addition, other fictional but cannon (In the Fourth Realm Trilogy ARG) sites call the Evergreen Foundation 'three trees'
Notice the three evergreen trees within the Dharma octagon. (The Lost team would have given permission or commissioned it's use in Half Life) These are the things that made me interested in Lost v's JXIIH,
then I read the books.
If you wish to read the books, the following may be a spoiler.... This is the part of the books I find most interesting. The (sinister) Evergreen Foundation built a quantum computer, subatomic particles in an energy field momentarily disappear, on return they were found to contain information, binary information described in the book as "Light and non-Light, the basic language of the universe"
The Brethren realised that the information was from an advanced civilisation (4toes anyone??)......"This civilization has given our scientists new discoveries in physics and computers........If we can learn more about this advanced technology, we'll be able to establish the Panopticon...(We) will finally have the power to watch and control an immense group of people." I think relating to Lost smokie is the plan that will be sent and built in the third book.
A series of smokies that live under our world would eliminate the need for millions of cameras around the world. The idea being, Smokie could pop out of the ground at any moment and scan your memories in detail for law breaking etc and deliver immediate judgement, would certainly have the Big Brother effect plus the benefit of stripping away the 'who watches the watcher' dilemma.
I think the smokie we see could be a prototype and arguably some of the flashbacks are his readings. Here are a few more links from The Fourth Realm Trilogy to Lost: The release date of the first book of The Fourth Realm Trilogy and the final book release fit snugly into the Lost air dates. Character names, Nathan Boone, Michael, John, Shepherd, The Tabula(from Tabula Rasa). Chess and game theory, Light and Dark feature heavily in the books.
Underground bunkers, tunnels and rooms have purpose in the books. A secret guarded 'portable portal' in a box in a temple on an island is used to "leave our realm and cross over into other realities" (incidentally the island in the book is not out at sea but in the middle of a massive lake in Africa...not far from Nigeria!).
(Addition: 'crossing realms' as described in the Fourth Realm Trilogy shows strong links to Lost too since S04 has aired) )
Car accidents play a part in the book. An expert in his scientific field takes on a job only to find he cannot leave the base(Juliete). Use of number codes. Talismans are important in the book as I think they are in Lost (watches, rings, tattos etc). The reluctant hero becomes trapped on an island. Heavy references to literature and philosophers and religion. One character calls everyone 'brutha'. And many more. If (and It's a massive if) the book is part of Lost, it could relate to Lost in a number of ways.
Could the author be Jacob or someone else on the island? TFRT could be there to simply bulk up the mythology when Lost ends. Tailor made sci-fi.
JXIIH got me thinking about Gary Troupe. Bad Twin and the The Fourth Realm Trilogy books and related canon web presence are built to be an expose on the corporate evils of society. If The Fourth Realm Trilogy does prove to be related to Lost it could be flip side of literary propaganda to Bad Twin. Battling factions using fiction and media to sway distract and subtly influence the Lost world populace?
Are the losties part of this propaganda? Is someone banking on/securing their return to expose the islands secrets? I think Bad Twin and Troupe will have further parts in Lost and I hope The Fourth Realm Trilogy does too.
Michael Eisner (chairman and chief executive of Walt Disney Co.) said "[Lost, It's] A crazy project that's never going to work". Makes me think that beyond marketing, the six channels of mass media, broadcasting, publishing, Internet, video games etc could possibly play a larger part in the plot. Maybe it is a coincidence. It's a good read regardless, I'm sure you would enjoy it.......
Here are links to the two books if you fancy a dig
http://tinyurl.com/3ydy6t
http://tinyurl.com/38rado
Big Dipper Debate
Originally posted on Lost-Theories (RIP) Oct 30th 2007
Okay, The Numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42.
So Leonard has gone crazy and he keeps repeating the numbers whilst playing Connect Four. Connect four has 42 holes on a 6x7 grid.
When you plot the numbers on 'Connect Four' grid taking the bottom left as 1 and the top right as 42.......you get this.
Looking at the numbers on the diagram we get a nice image of the Big Dipper, Ursa Major. The image of the night sky in the above pic is taken from Lost 'special' the scene right after Michael and Locke have saved Walt from the bear. The shot lingers on the clear constellation for a moment.
The shot of the Big Dipper in 'Special' is intriguingly reversed/mirrored. I have considered things like production errors, optical glass reversal but I found this interesting quote:
“Five of the stars of the Big Dipper are at the core of the Ursa Major Moving Group. The two at the ends, Dubhe and Alkaid, are not part of the swarm, and are moving in the opposite direction. Relative to the central five, they are moving down and to the right in the map. This will slowly change the Dipper’s shape, roughly In 50,000 years the Dipper will no longer exist as we know it, but be re-formed into a new Dipper facing the opposite way!"
Below is the correct dipper as visible in the current northern hemisphere.(plus the reversed number plotting)
Also worth a mention that if playing Connect four, one players 1 is another players 37.
We have seen the numbers on another 6x7 grid too.
We were reminded of connect four in the first episode of S4 'The Beginning of the end'.
Looks like Santa Rosa have a brand new board.
Any thoughts on the Connect four - Numbers - Dipper madness?
: )
Okay, The Numbers 4 8 15 16 23 42.
So Leonard has gone crazy and he keeps repeating the numbers whilst playing Connect Four. Connect four has 42 holes on a 6x7 grid.
When you plot the numbers on 'Connect Four' grid taking the bottom left as 1 and the top right as 42.......you get this.
Looking at the numbers on the diagram we get a nice image of the Big Dipper, Ursa Major. The image of the night sky in the above pic is taken from Lost 'special' the scene right after Michael and Locke have saved Walt from the bear. The shot lingers on the clear constellation for a moment.
The shot of the Big Dipper in 'Special' is intriguingly reversed/mirrored. I have considered things like production errors, optical glass reversal but I found this interesting quote:
“Five of the stars of the Big Dipper are at the core of the Ursa Major Moving Group. The two at the ends, Dubhe and Alkaid, are not part of the swarm, and are moving in the opposite direction. Relative to the central five, they are moving down and to the right in the map. This will slowly change the Dipper’s shape, roughly In 50,000 years the Dipper will no longer exist as we know it, but be re-formed into a new Dipper facing the opposite way!"
Below is the correct dipper as visible in the current northern hemisphere.(plus the reversed number plotting)
Also worth a mention that if playing Connect four, one players 1 is another players 37.
We have seen the numbers on another 6x7 grid too.
We were reminded of connect four in the first episode of S4 'The Beginning of the end'.
Looks like Santa Rosa have a brand new board.
Any thoughts on the Connect four - Numbers - Dipper madness?
: )
Nurture V's Nurture
Originally posted on Lost-Theories (RIP) Nov 7th 2007
There are so many breadcrumbs in the Lost Cupboard………. Whilst following the ‘tabula rasa’ trail (familiar to most of you), leading to 17th century Philosopher John Locke(1632-1704), leading to the philosophers he influenced, Jean-Jacque Rousseau(1712-1778), David Hume(1711-1776) led me to a man that both Locke and Hume had influenced, Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832).
Jeremy Bentham, obviously loosely connects to ‘the name in the newspaper clipping’. In his lifetime he was a social reformer amongst other pursuit’s. He designed a prison building he called the Panopticon. (Again some of you already know this). Panopticon prisons were circular or octagonal in shape. Cells followed the outer walls allowing the guard to sit in a central tower. The key principal of the Panopticon prison was that prisoners would regulate their own and each others behavior because they did not know when they were being watched. Take a look at the Bentham inspired prisons.
Chi Hoa Prison- Saigon, Vietnam.
Millbank Prison - Millbank, London
Pelican Bay State Prison - California
As you can see the octagonal design as well as the ‘constantly being watched’ elements of the prisons, have close links to Lost
Continuing to look at the prison trail I found an extension of the panopticon idea manifested in Mettray Penal Colony (opened 1839) in France. The Mettray Prison Colony was an advancement of the panopticon system, a prison without walls, secretly assessed
“infants and adolescents were normally imprisoned together with adults” “The chiefs and deputies at Mettray were technicians of behavior” “The Colony was deliberately organised to imitate the structure of a family because it was felt that the failure of the boys’ biological families was the reason for them to be sent to Mettray. Besides the pavilions there were flower gardens, accommodation for visitors, stables, a farm with animals and extensive cultivated fields, and a quarry. A replica of a sailing ship, complete with masts and rigging, was set in the square and used for training boys, many of whom would enter the navy on leaving Mettray……… The Colony was largely self-sufficient.” “Demetz (Designer) believed in the healing properties of nature and his motto ……. improve man by his contact with the land and vice versa, under the eye of God. The Colony’s mission was to reform, through manual agricultural work and through prayer.” “The boys had their heads shaved, wore uniforms, and up to the age of 12 spent most of the day studying arithmetic, writing and reading. The older boys had just one hour of classes and the rest of the day was spent working. Some were employed in trades, or in the orchards and vineyards, but the majority performed hard agricultural labour including digging and crushing stones for roads.” I have read but cannot find the quote which talks about some the guards being unknown to the prisoners. “This prison established a system of discipline that divided men into groups that followed five prominent disciplines in life: the family, the army, the workshop, school, and judicial.” “In theory, this internalization would make better men out of the criminals and upon their release they would re-enter society as model citizens”
I think there are some interesting things here, the ship, crushing stones, nature, family environment, military training and judicial (a la Juliet trial), invisible watching ‘technicians’ (It would go some way to explaining the whispers)
I am not suggesting that the losties are ‘in prison’ but that the island has in the past being a place where trials have been performed to asses the effectiveness of rehabilitation. Dharma with it’s octagonal and voyeuristic links they certainly seem to fit the ‘technicians of behavior’. Possibly there is evidence pre Dharma of rehabilitation trials on the island (and possibly future technology e.g smokey, a piece of technology from the future built to asses people, if you go for that ‘island floating in time’ possibility). But in addition the losties certainly fit the bill for a rehab project….Santa Rosa Mental Institution occupants, criminals, abandonment.
Anyway, my old idea that the islands useful non location coupled with it’s apparent supernatural properties, put it in the middle of a possession war. A possession war between two factions.
Could it be possible that rehabilitation is the flip side to Eugenics. “Eugenics is a philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention”
One faction striving for humans with criminal pasts, illness, undesirable traits to be sterilised preventing their ‘bad’ genes from circulating in the gene pool. The other striving for a solution meaning humans can be rehabilitated, cured of illness, preventing their history either mental or medical illness affecting their children. Nurture V’s Nurture Science V’s Science
I thought that ‘rehabilitation’ currently had possession of the island but maybe we have seen the ‘takeover’, the purge, Jack’s satellite call?
As far as eugenics goes Juliet, I think is the main evidence here, she helped Rachel, who was left sterile after cancer get pregnant with drugs stolen from Edmund Burke, was Rachel force sterilised or sterile because of chemotherapy? Either way Juliet and Edmund would be an arch enemy of Eugenics, Edmund is dead and Juliet has vanished off the face of the earth. To hide her and keep her safe, to rid the scientific community of her skill set?
So are the names, Locke, Hume, Rousseau, Bentham there to represent thinking based around rehabilitation potential? (Or just they there to throw viewers off scent?)
I think Hanso will come to be the chain striving to keep eugenics/genetic manipulations at bay. Has Hanso been experimenting with rehabilitation, over a long time with a broad range of techniques, from the inspiration of facilities like Mettray to techniques such as brainwashing, seemingly cruel but would conceivably be deemed necessary to try in order to prevent a eugenics movement approval. The dates of Black Rocks fictional disappearance do match for Mettray to be an inspiration. Who then might represent eugenics?
As a minor addition modern eugenics fund the ‘pioneer fund’ which in turn funds twin studies namely ‘Minnesota Twin Family Study’ and the ‘Texas Adoption Project’, there is definitely some relation to lost and twins. I know the writers have claimed the Gary Troup-Bad Twin novel was written without their full co-operation saying “And considering that I have now read Bad Twin, [Laughs] Gary Troup got exactly what he deserved. [Carlton laughs] Next”. I think that is rubbish, like they wouldn’t have read it before it was published. It is almost like they are playing a role in Lost, taking sides.
“Old pirates, yes, they rob I Sold I to the merchant ships……….. Redemption songs”
There are so many breadcrumbs in the Lost Cupboard………. Whilst following the ‘tabula rasa’ trail (familiar to most of you), leading to 17th century Philosopher John Locke(1632-1704), leading to the philosophers he influenced, Jean-Jacque Rousseau(1712-1778), David Hume(1711-1776) led me to a man that both Locke and Hume had influenced, Jeremy Bentham (1748-1832).
Jeremy Bentham, obviously loosely connects to ‘the name in the newspaper clipping’. In his lifetime he was a social reformer amongst other pursuit’s. He designed a prison building he called the Panopticon. (Again some of you already know this). Panopticon prisons were circular or octagonal in shape. Cells followed the outer walls allowing the guard to sit in a central tower. The key principal of the Panopticon prison was that prisoners would regulate their own and each others behavior because they did not know when they were being watched. Take a look at the Bentham inspired prisons.
Chi Hoa Prison- Saigon, Vietnam.
Millbank Prison - Millbank, London
Pelican Bay State Prison - CaliforniaAs you can see the octagonal design as well as the ‘constantly being watched’ elements of the prisons, have close links to Lost
Continuing to look at the prison trail I found an extension of the panopticon idea manifested in Mettray Penal Colony (opened 1839) in France. The Mettray Prison Colony was an advancement of the panopticon system, a prison without walls, secretly assessed
“infants and adolescents were normally imprisoned together with adults” “The chiefs and deputies at Mettray were technicians of behavior” “The Colony was deliberately organised to imitate the structure of a family because it was felt that the failure of the boys’ biological families was the reason for them to be sent to Mettray. Besides the pavilions there were flower gardens, accommodation for visitors, stables, a farm with animals and extensive cultivated fields, and a quarry. A replica of a sailing ship, complete with masts and rigging, was set in the square and used for training boys, many of whom would enter the navy on leaving Mettray……… The Colony was largely self-sufficient.” “Demetz (Designer) believed in the healing properties of nature and his motto ……. improve man by his contact with the land and vice versa, under the eye of God. The Colony’s mission was to reform, through manual agricultural work and through prayer.” “The boys had their heads shaved, wore uniforms, and up to the age of 12 spent most of the day studying arithmetic, writing and reading. The older boys had just one hour of classes and the rest of the day was spent working. Some were employed in trades, or in the orchards and vineyards, but the majority performed hard agricultural labour including digging and crushing stones for roads.” I have read but cannot find the quote which talks about some the guards being unknown to the prisoners. “This prison established a system of discipline that divided men into groups that followed five prominent disciplines in life: the family, the army, the workshop, school, and judicial.” “In theory, this internalization would make better men out of the criminals and upon their release they would re-enter society as model citizens”
I think there are some interesting things here, the ship, crushing stones, nature, family environment, military training and judicial (a la Juliet trial), invisible watching ‘technicians’ (It would go some way to explaining the whispers)
I am not suggesting that the losties are ‘in prison’ but that the island has in the past being a place where trials have been performed to asses the effectiveness of rehabilitation. Dharma with it’s octagonal and voyeuristic links they certainly seem to fit the ‘technicians of behavior’. Possibly there is evidence pre Dharma of rehabilitation trials on the island (and possibly future technology e.g smokey, a piece of technology from the future built to asses people, if you go for that ‘island floating in time’ possibility). But in addition the losties certainly fit the bill for a rehab project….Santa Rosa Mental Institution occupants, criminals, abandonment.
Anyway, my old idea that the islands useful non location coupled with it’s apparent supernatural properties, put it in the middle of a possession war. A possession war between two factions.
Could it be possible that rehabilitation is the flip side to Eugenics. “Eugenics is a philosophy which advocates the improvement of human hereditary traits through various forms of intervention”
One faction striving for humans with criminal pasts, illness, undesirable traits to be sterilised preventing their ‘bad’ genes from circulating in the gene pool. The other striving for a solution meaning humans can be rehabilitated, cured of illness, preventing their history either mental or medical illness affecting their children. Nurture V’s Nurture Science V’s Science
I thought that ‘rehabilitation’ currently had possession of the island but maybe we have seen the ‘takeover’, the purge, Jack’s satellite call?
As far as eugenics goes Juliet, I think is the main evidence here, she helped Rachel, who was left sterile after cancer get pregnant with drugs stolen from Edmund Burke, was Rachel force sterilised or sterile because of chemotherapy? Either way Juliet and Edmund would be an arch enemy of Eugenics, Edmund is dead and Juliet has vanished off the face of the earth. To hide her and keep her safe, to rid the scientific community of her skill set?
So are the names, Locke, Hume, Rousseau, Bentham there to represent thinking based around rehabilitation potential? (Or just they there to throw viewers off scent?)
I think Hanso will come to be the chain striving to keep eugenics/genetic manipulations at bay. Has Hanso been experimenting with rehabilitation, over a long time with a broad range of techniques, from the inspiration of facilities like Mettray to techniques such as brainwashing, seemingly cruel but would conceivably be deemed necessary to try in order to prevent a eugenics movement approval. The dates of Black Rocks fictional disappearance do match for Mettray to be an inspiration. Who then might represent eugenics?
As a minor addition modern eugenics fund the ‘pioneer fund’ which in turn funds twin studies namely ‘Minnesota Twin Family Study’ and the ‘Texas Adoption Project’, there is definitely some relation to lost and twins. I know the writers have claimed the Gary Troup-Bad Twin novel was written without their full co-operation saying “And considering that I have now read Bad Twin, [Laughs] Gary Troup got exactly what he deserved. [Carlton laughs] Next”. I think that is rubbish, like they wouldn’t have read it before it was published. It is almost like they are playing a role in Lost, taking sides.
“Old pirates, yes, they rob I Sold I to the merchant ships……….. Redemption songs”
The Right to Breed and Obsolete Island
Originally posted on Lost-Theories (RIP) Oct 15th 2007
This is my first lost Theory,
My theory circulates around two ideas:
The central issue of LOST is, multiple attempts to forcibly 'fix' humans V's multiple attempts to prevent unnatural 'fixing'
and
The island(s) we know are part of a chain of islands. Our island is a 'first edition' failure.
I believe our losties are not lost but have been lost. All on the plane were put there.
The amazing deductions in "Where on Earth is the Island?" seem to prove that aircraft was heading west not east with the full consent of the pilot and the cabin crew. They were being delivered. So the crash landing ripped them off course and the precious selection of cargo did not get to the place it was supposed to, the precious cargo has been Lost. I think they were almost at their destination but the wrong island. Here we have to assume a great deal. Imagine there are a string of islands, maybe 3 , maybe 108, who knows, all of which are not accessible by ordinary means.
All are contained with in a 'bubble'. This islands are known about and have been accessed by a privileged few throughout time........past, present and future. I imagine that you cannot travel through time via the islands but time can visit the islands. Imagine that through the past, present and future one organisation has knowledge of these invisible islands and decided to dedicate them to the alteration of human behavior, human testing, trials for the perfection of the Human race. Humans even in the future we can assume are not down with human testing, Thus any good despot with a desire to experiment with species perfection would keep the existence of such a remote testing goldmine a closely guard secret.
Black rock represents a prior attempt to find and use the people on board for the 'mission'
Flight 815 represents the present attempt to use the people on board for the 'mission'
And I think that a future 'mission' has been to the island:
I believe The smoke monster is a piece of technology left from future experiments........It can asses thoughts, assess people, be a personality judge, quite scary....maybe the 'organisation' is trying to find a way to clinically assess people for the right to bear children, and ole' smoke assesses this. This unfathomable technology could also explain the visions etc. (Futuristic experimental stress trials) The orientation video shows us another attempt at a feasible future concept for 'refreshing' society with clone experiments. The four toed statue is a possible hint to this, it is widely known that we no longer use our little toe for balance it is useless so evolution dictates that in time (a really long time) humans will only have four toes. This statue may look ancient but it is most likely to be a statue built by the 'organisation' from the future. The statues decay suggests either it has been there a long time, It and the technology was present when the first people somehow discovered the islands? Or it has been mostly destroyed? (see below) Could people on the island be from the future but trapped? Jacob?
So imagining that throughout time one 'organisation' has knowledge of this place, a closely guarded secret handed through time. Good and bad being a blurred central theme to lost, we can assume that as hard as one 'organisation' is trying to manipulate the progress of human development there will be another 'organisation' trying to stop them. Nature V's Nurture. "Organisation 1" being the party attempting to manipulate and control human development and 'Organisation 2' being the party trying to prevent this.
The island is clearly not a smooth technological engine, maybe this is because 'organisation 2' has scuppered previous experiments leaving the island we know, useless and unwanted or maybe just invisible to 'organisation 1'.
At this point I am not confident in naming which characters or groups on lost fit each organisation, we have Dharma, Widmore, Christian Shephard, Hanso, Ben, Penny, Jacob?
Back to our losties, if we assume that they were elaborately organised to be on that flight, for what reason?
All of our losties come from very different walks of life yet have one thing in common, upbringing, questionable parenting, parent issues. Very extreme and debilitating in some cases (Locke) others more subtle (Hurley), but all have had far from a 'normal' upbringing. These people could have been carefully watched and selected destined to be test subjects, can a human be 'fixed'? Can pain be abolished in a human mind? Can a bad parenting cycle be broken? (relation to my smokie theory) Arranged by 'Organisation 1'
Alternatively. The losties are selected because they were all unknowingly raised, Genetically significant, ancestors of the great, destined to be 'organisation 2' (with parental knowledge in some cases). (not so likely due to close relation to Heroes show, but It's worth a mention)
Where should they have safely landed?
I imagine flight 815 was on course for a more refined functioning version of our island. I think we will see this in S04. To partake or infiltrate?
The concept of an organisation attempting to alter human behavior is classically dark and sinister, however I think the writers will tip this on it's head and it will eventually be the losties that make the decision to be 'people of science or people of faith'.
Ben and the Others are trying to hide the island, (not very well, people keep landing on it) maybe they as children were test subjects, They too are abandoned failed experiments. They may think island 1 is the only one possessing such equipment and mysticism, I believe they do not know the full extent of things, they are not fully 'in the know'. I think Ben vaguely knows that 'Organisation 1' needs and takes children. Again good and bad being blurred, when 815 came down he was either trying to rescue the children from 'organisation 1' or trying to get them for 'organisation 1'. I think Ben from prior involvement with the organisation sees children as the young, unaware that the children as defined by 'organisation 1' is all on the plane. Our losties are the children wanted.
If my theory of two organisations is right who will be the rescue party?
The 815 passengers may have been heading somewhere great to do great things but they will be sent home. Jack and Kate met in a location where they could not be heard is this because all the rescuees are under surveillance?
This is my first lost Theory,
My theory circulates around two ideas:
The central issue of LOST is, multiple attempts to forcibly 'fix' humans V's multiple attempts to prevent unnatural 'fixing'
and
The island(s) we know are part of a chain of islands. Our island is a 'first edition' failure.
I believe our losties are not lost but have been lost. All on the plane were put there.
The amazing deductions in "Where on Earth is the Island?" seem to prove that aircraft was heading west not east with the full consent of the pilot and the cabin crew. They were being delivered. So the crash landing ripped them off course and the precious selection of cargo did not get to the place it was supposed to, the precious cargo has been Lost. I think they were almost at their destination but the wrong island. Here we have to assume a great deal. Imagine there are a string of islands, maybe 3 , maybe 108, who knows, all of which are not accessible by ordinary means.
All are contained with in a 'bubble'. This islands are known about and have been accessed by a privileged few throughout time........past, present and future. I imagine that you cannot travel through time via the islands but time can visit the islands. Imagine that through the past, present and future one organisation has knowledge of these invisible islands and decided to dedicate them to the alteration of human behavior, human testing, trials for the perfection of the Human race. Humans even in the future we can assume are not down with human testing, Thus any good despot with a desire to experiment with species perfection would keep the existence of such a remote testing goldmine a closely guard secret.
Black rock represents a prior attempt to find and use the people on board for the 'mission'
Flight 815 represents the present attempt to use the people on board for the 'mission'
And I think that a future 'mission' has been to the island:
I believe The smoke monster is a piece of technology left from future experiments........It can asses thoughts, assess people, be a personality judge, quite scary....maybe the 'organisation' is trying to find a way to clinically assess people for the right to bear children, and ole' smoke assesses this. This unfathomable technology could also explain the visions etc. (Futuristic experimental stress trials) The orientation video shows us another attempt at a feasible future concept for 'refreshing' society with clone experiments. The four toed statue is a possible hint to this, it is widely known that we no longer use our little toe for balance it is useless so evolution dictates that in time (a really long time) humans will only have four toes. This statue may look ancient but it is most likely to be a statue built by the 'organisation' from the future. The statues decay suggests either it has been there a long time, It and the technology was present when the first people somehow discovered the islands? Or it has been mostly destroyed? (see below) Could people on the island be from the future but trapped? Jacob?
So imagining that throughout time one 'organisation' has knowledge of this place, a closely guarded secret handed through time. Good and bad being a blurred central theme to lost, we can assume that as hard as one 'organisation' is trying to manipulate the progress of human development there will be another 'organisation' trying to stop them. Nature V's Nurture. "Organisation 1" being the party attempting to manipulate and control human development and 'Organisation 2' being the party trying to prevent this.
The island is clearly not a smooth technological engine, maybe this is because 'organisation 2' has scuppered previous experiments leaving the island we know, useless and unwanted or maybe just invisible to 'organisation 1'.
At this point I am not confident in naming which characters or groups on lost fit each organisation, we have Dharma, Widmore, Christian Shephard, Hanso, Ben, Penny, Jacob?
Back to our losties, if we assume that they were elaborately organised to be on that flight, for what reason?
All of our losties come from very different walks of life yet have one thing in common, upbringing, questionable parenting, parent issues. Very extreme and debilitating in some cases (Locke) others more subtle (Hurley), but all have had far from a 'normal' upbringing. These people could have been carefully watched and selected destined to be test subjects, can a human be 'fixed'? Can pain be abolished in a human mind? Can a bad parenting cycle be broken? (relation to my smokie theory) Arranged by 'Organisation 1'
Alternatively. The losties are selected because they were all unknowingly raised, Genetically significant, ancestors of the great, destined to be 'organisation 2' (with parental knowledge in some cases). (not so likely due to close relation to Heroes show, but It's worth a mention)
Where should they have safely landed?
I imagine flight 815 was on course for a more refined functioning version of our island. I think we will see this in S04. To partake or infiltrate?
The concept of an organisation attempting to alter human behavior is classically dark and sinister, however I think the writers will tip this on it's head and it will eventually be the losties that make the decision to be 'people of science or people of faith'.
Ben and the Others are trying to hide the island, (not very well, people keep landing on it) maybe they as children were test subjects, They too are abandoned failed experiments. They may think island 1 is the only one possessing such equipment and mysticism, I believe they do not know the full extent of things, they are not fully 'in the know'. I think Ben vaguely knows that 'Organisation 1' needs and takes children. Again good and bad being blurred, when 815 came down he was either trying to rescue the children from 'organisation 1' or trying to get them for 'organisation 1'. I think Ben from prior involvement with the organisation sees children as the young, unaware that the children as defined by 'organisation 1' is all on the plane. Our losties are the children wanted.
If my theory of two organisations is right who will be the rescue party?
The 815 passengers may have been heading somewhere great to do great things but they will be sent home. Jack and Kate met in a location where they could not be heard is this because all the rescuees are under surveillance?
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